Legislature(2009 - 2010)CAPITOL 106

03/11/2009 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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08:06:38 AM Start
08:07:12 AM HB126
08:09:29 AM HB172
08:11:59 AM Overview(s): Drop-out Prevention
10:29:49 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+ Overview: Dropout Prevention TELECONFERENCED
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 126 FOSTER CARE/CINA/EDUCATION OF HOMELESS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 126(EDC) Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE EDUCATION STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         March 11, 2009                                                                                         
                           8:06 a.m.                                                                                            
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Paul Seaton, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Cathy Engstrom Munoz, Vice Chair                                                                                 
Representative Wes Keller                                                                                                       
Representative Robert L. "Bob" Buch                                                                                             
Representative Berta Gardner                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 126                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to continuing  the secondary public education of                                                               
a homeless  student; relating to  the purpose of certain  laws as                                                               
they relate to children; relating  to tuition waivers, loans, and                                                               
medical assistance for a child  placed in out-of-home care by the                                                               
state; relating to  foster care; relating to children  in need of                                                               
aid; relating  to foster care  transition to  independent living;                                                               
and relating to juvenile programs and institutions."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSHB 126(EDU) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 172                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to  an investment in  the education  loan fund;                                                               
relating to  authority for the  commissioner of revenue  to enter                                                               
into  a bond  purchase agreement  and letter  of credit  with the                                                               
Alaska Student  Loan Corporation; and providing  for an effective                                                               
date."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     - WAIVED OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  DROP-OUT PREVENTION                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 126                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: FOSTER CARE/CINA/EDUCATION OF HOMELESS                                                                             
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) GARA                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
02/11/09       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/11/09       (H)       EDC, HSS, FIN                                                                                          
02/25/09       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
02/25/09       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
02/25/09       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/02/09       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
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03/02/09       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/09/09       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
03/09/09       (H)       Heard & Held                                                                                           
03/09/09       (H)       MINUTE(EDC)                                                                                            
03/11/09       (H)       EDC AT 8:00 AM CAPITOL 106                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
ERIK MCCORMICK, Director                                                                                                        
Assessment & Accountability                                                                                                     
Department of Education and Early Development (EED)                                                                             
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion on drop-out                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CARL ROSE, Executive Director                                                                                                   
Association of Alaska School Boards (AASB)                                                                                      
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion on drop-out                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MARTINSEN                                                                                                                 
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Speaking as a parent, teacher, and student,                                                              
provided comments during the roundtable discussion.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BRAD FLUETSCH, President                                                                                                        
Alaska Native Brotherhood (ANB)Grand Camp 70                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion on drop-out                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TOM MORGAN, State Director                                                                                                      
Communities In Schools (CIS) of Alaska                                                                                          
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated in the discussion on drop-out                                                               
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOBOLEFF, Representative                                                                                                    
Central Council                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Participated in the  discussion on drop-out                                                             
prevention.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:06:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR PAUL  SEATON called the House  Education Standing Committee                                                             
meeting to order  at 8:06 a.m.   Representatives Seaton, Gardner,                                                               
Buch,   and  Keller   were  present   at  the   call  to   order.                                                               
Representative  Munoz arrived  as  the meeting  was in  progress.                                                               
Representative Wilson was excused.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
HB 126-FOSTER CARE/CINA/EDUCATION OF HOMELESS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:07:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 126, "An  Act relating to continuing the secondary                                                               
public education of  a homeless student; relating  to the purpose                                                               
of certain laws  as they relate to children;  relating to tuition                                                               
waivers,  loans, and  medical assistance  for a  child placed  in                                                               
out-of-home care by the state;  relating to foster care; relating                                                               
to children  in need of  aid; relating to foster  care transition                                                               
to  independent living;  and relating  to  juvenile programs  and                                                               
institutions."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:08:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER   moved  to   adopt  CSHB   126,  Version                                                               
LS0309\P, Mischel, 3/9/09, as the working document.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON objected for discussion.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
8:08:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER related  that he spoke with  the sponsor at                                                               
length and  although all his questions  weren't totally resolved,                                                               
the sponsor pledged to work on  the matters in the next committee                                                               
of referral.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Chair  Seaton's  objection to  the  adoption  of Version  P  was                                                               
treated as withdrawn.]                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:09:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER   moved  to  report  CSHB   126,  Version                                                               
LS0309\P,  Mischel,  3/9/09,  out of  committee  with  individual                                                               
recommendations and  the accompanying fiscal notes.   There being                                                               
no  objection,   CSHB  126(EDC)  was  reported   from  the  House                                                               
Education Standing Committee.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
HB 172-STATE INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION FUND                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:09:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 172,  "An Act  relating to  an investment  in the                                                               
education loan  fund; relating to authority  for the commissioner                                                               
of revenue to enter into a  bond purchase agreement and letter of                                                               
credit with  the Alaska Student  Loan Corporation;  and providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that HB 172  is a companion to  HB 109, which                                                               
the committee  has already reported  out of the committee.   This                                                               
legislation is  a interim measure  to allow for student  loans to                                                               
be made  this year,  and he  characterized it  as temporary.   He                                                               
requested  that the  committee waive  HB 172  from committee  and                                                               
asked if any member held objection.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:10:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  inquired  as   to  the  strategy  behind                                                               
waiving HB 172 from committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  explained that  HB  172  allows  for funds,  on  a                                                               
temporary basis,  to be borrowed from  the state for loans.   The                                                               
companion bill,  HB 109,  addresses the  long-term program  as it                                                               
changes the credit rating in order  to sell bonds.  The long-term                                                               
process addressed  by HB  109 is one  in which  loan applications                                                               
wouldn't be  taken until the bonds  have been sold and  the money                                                               
has been received.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:11:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
No objection  was stated  for waiving HB  172 from  committee; so                                                               
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  DROP-OUT PREVENTION                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:11:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON announced that the  final order of business would be                                                               
a roundtable discussion  on high school drop-out  prevention.  He                                                               
reviewed the contents of the committee packet.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:16:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took a brief at-ease at 8:16 a.m.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON introduced the presenters.   He then asked for EED's                                                               
definition  of graduation,  specifically  how  the standards  are                                                               
set.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:18:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ERIK   MCCORMICK,   Director,    Assessment   &   Accountability,                                                               
Department of  Education and  Early Development  (EED), explained                                                               
that  the High  School Graduation  Qualifying Exam  (HSGQE) is  a                                                               
requirement for  graduation.  The  HSGQE measures  proficiency in                                                               
reading, writing,  and mathematics.   There  is also  a statewide                                                               
requirement of  21 units, which  requires four years  of English,                                                               
three years  of social studies, two  years of math, two  years of                                                               
science, and Alaskan history.   The aforementioned is the minimum                                                               
requirement for  districts, and therefore some  districts require                                                               
more than  21 units.   In further  response to Chair  Seaton, Mr.                                                               
McCormick  explained that  a  unit is  traditionally  known as  a                                                               
Carnegie unit/credit  for completion of course  work.  Typically,                                                               
a unit is a full year whereas a half credit is a semester.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:19:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH inquired as to  how an exceptional student is                                                               
able to be in college by age 13/14.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK  assured the  committee that  most of  the advanced                                                               
students are  meeting the minimum requirements  and supplementing                                                               
their  public education  with  statewide  correspondence or  with                                                               
additional courses through the district.   He offered to find out                                                               
more    information    regarding   substitutions    for    credit                                                               
requirements.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:21:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  expressed his  desire to  address what  is expected                                                               
and  valued  of  students.    He  related  his  observation  that                                                               
competency  level,  which  is only  measured  minimally,  is  one                                                               
expectation  while   the  other   is  seat  time   or  endurance.                                                               
Therefore, he  surmised that graduation is  almost entirely based                                                               
on  minimal  competency  and endurance  of  class  time,  without                                                               
engagement.  He expressed the  need to help students graduate and                                                               
also make it meaningful.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:25:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  related his understanding that  the credit                                                               
requirement  is a  regulation.   He asked  how legislators  would                                                               
address the credit requirement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCORMICK  offered to  provide  the  specific regulation  in                                                               
which the credit requirements are located.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:29:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  recalled that either the  Galena Interior                                                               
Learning  Academy or  Mt.  Edgecumbe  require additional  science                                                               
credits.   She asked if  there has been any  discussion regarding                                                               
broadly increasing the science requirement.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK answered  that at this point he isn't  aware of any                                                               
such conversations.  However, he noted  that he has been asked to                                                               
research the requirements  of other states.  He  offered to share                                                               
that information with the committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:30:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director, directed  attention  to  AASB's                                                               
statement  on  drop-out  prevention, included  in  the  committee                                                               
packet.  He  related his belief that the most  difficult class is                                                               
the one in  which students try to  earn a passing grade.   If the                                                               
information is  introduced in a  manner that requires  mastery of                                                               
content,  then the  grades  will  come, he  opined.   "Kids  lose                                                               
interest  because they're  not  pursuing  mastery," he  remarked.                                                               
Mr. Rose opined  that Alaska's education system is  a fairly good                                                               
system, if  the students  are prepared to  take advantage  of it.                                                               
He  then explained  that  the  No Child  Left  Behind Act  (NCLB)                                                               
identifies  the following  four sub-groups:   those  students who                                                               
aren't  English language  proficient; ethnicity;  disability; and                                                               
socially and  economically challenged  children.   Although those                                                               
groups have  been identified, the  system hasn't been  allowed to                                                               
devise a  means to help those  students.  Schools are  funded for                                                               
regular instruction and  the state is mandated by  federal law to                                                               
provide services  to those who  are disabled.  After  the federal                                                               
and state  mandates are addressed,  the remaining funds  are what                                                               
are  used to  address  the aforementioned  four  sub-groups.   He                                                               
pointed  out that  class differential  is dramatic  and the  data                                                               
supports  that  assertion.    For  instance,  there  could  be  a                                                               
variance  of  2-3  million [recognizable]  words  and  characters                                                               
between  students  from  poverty-stricken families  who  may  not                                                               
value education and  use cryptic directional verbiage  - do this,                                                               
don't do that, interactions with  their children, versus students                                                               
from middle class families in  which there are real conversations                                                               
and  a  value is  placed  on  education.    By Third  grade,  the                                                               
deficiencies  that   determine  whether   the  child   will  gain                                                               
advantage  through the  education  system or  require a  remedial                                                               
system  can  be  professionally identified.    Unfortunately,  if                                                               
there is  a gap,  it continues  throughout their  education since                                                               
the  unprepared child  is trying  to  catch up  while the  others                                                               
advance  in their  education.   Mr.  Rose opined  that there  are                                                               
societal  issues  that  parallel   the  preparation  for  quality                                                               
education.   Still,  schools need  to  be engineered  to be  more                                                               
interesting and  engaging.  He  reported that many will  say that                                                               
schools can't do this alone  and point to parents and communities                                                               
as part  of the solution.   Mr. Rose noted that  he has submitted                                                               
testimony, to  the committee, which  he provided to  U.S. Senator                                                               
Lisa Murkowski.   Regarding the topic specifically,  he said that                                                               
students drop-out for various reasons.   He then pointed out that                                                               
schools are being labeled as good  or bad in terms of achievement                                                               
on their adequate yearly progress (AYP) reports, and opined:                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     If what  you're measuring and your  measurement is off,                                                                    
     what does  that have to  do with how well  your schools                                                                    
     are?   ... Before  you start to  look at  sanctions and                                                                    
     start to categorize  schools, we should take  a look at                                                                    
     what  we're   measuring  and   what  we're   trying  to                                                                    
     accomplish.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE noted  that the  National School  Board Association  is                                                               
trying to  tackle the aforementioned  and there are  some efforts                                                               
to rewrite NCLB.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:38:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER surmised that Mr.  Rose is speaking to the                                                               
adequacy of  education and  that the tools  and mandate  the [US]                                                               
Department  of Education  uses,  to  address the  aforementioned,                                                               
misses the  pieces identified as  the four sub-groups.   Although                                                               
the DOE  is not mandated  to focus  on those [sub-groups],  it is                                                               
incumbent on the state.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:39:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER inquired as to  what Mr. Rose would suggest                                                               
the legislature  do to address  this issue in the  most expedient                                                               
manner.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE answered  that  the most  expedient  manner to  address                                                               
education  is to  prepare children  for success.   He  noted that                                                               
there is  much discussion regarding early  childhood development,                                                               
which comes  in many forms.   "The point I'm trying  to make here                                                               
is that  if kids cannot  get what  they need ...  [through] their                                                               
families or  at home, and  the data shows us  this, how do  we go                                                               
about  [providing support]  without creating  another bureaucracy                                                               
that  consumes  an awful  lot  of  the  resource that  some  kids                                                               
already  have," he  said.    He pointed  out  the disparity  that                                                               
arises when  funds are  spread across  the spectrum  of students.                                                               
This benefits some, such as  special needs students, and causes a                                                               
deficit for  others.  Mr.  Rose related  that it is  important to                                                               
review the  needs along  with the  programs and  initiatives that                                                               
could be  placed in  communities to help  children [in  the early                                                               
years].   He  cautioned  against structuring  a  program that  is                                                               
limiting, and recommended providing more options for families.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:42:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  opined that the  best thing that  could be                                                               
done  is  to  support  the  parents  to  be  loving  and  caring,                                                               
otherwise the child struggles.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:43:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON, referring  to the  subgroups  that were  mentioned                                                               
earlier,   highlighted   that   there  are   different   cultural                                                               
perspectives, including valuing  observation and visual learning.                                                               
He inquired  as to whether  a child that  comes from a  home that                                                               
values  observation and  visual  learning would  be  placed in  a                                                               
difficult position in  regard to meeting a  third grade benchmark                                                               
in an auditory learning system.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE related  that as a young  boy he was in all  four of the                                                               
earlier mentioned subgroups.   He informed the  committee that he                                                               
is Hawaiian,  dyslexic, spoke  Pigeon English  [as a  child], and                                                               
was from an economically challenged  home.  "The option of having                                                               
an education gave  me a chance to learn to  conform, if you will,                                                               
and  get an  education that  would  help me  for the  rest of  my                                                               
life," he said.   He opined that the  aforementioned is something                                                               
owed to all young people.   He further opined that [the education                                                               
system] needs  to observe and  be culturally responsive  to young                                                               
people some of which come  from many generations of rich culture.                                                               
The  goal, he  related, should  be to  provide children  with the                                                               
opportunity  to  be  successful within  the  capitalist  economy.                                                               
Still, everyone  comes from different cultures  from which others                                                               
can learn.  Mr. Rose  stated that America's educational system is                                                               
rich, but much  of it is drained down with  a six-hour school day                                                               
for 180  days.  He questioned  whether ways can be  found to help                                                               
those who are challenged to  maneuver through the barriers in the                                                               
existing  education system.   Across  America  there are  success                                                               
stories, he said.   However, when a  child's immediate challenges                                                               
are  ignored, they  become problems,  obstacles, and  reasons why                                                               
students  leave.   Mr.  Rose opined  that  a culturally  relevant                                                               
education is what should be offered to all pupils.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:48:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   SEATON  turned   the  committee's   attention  to   EED's                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:49:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCORMICK, in  response to  Representative Keller's  earlier                                                               
question, specified  that the regulation  for the HSGQE is  4 AAC                                                               
06.075.    He  then  directed  attention  to  the  Department  of                                                               
Education and Early Development's  Drop-out materials included in                                                               
the  committee  packet.    He  informed  the  committee  that  on                                                               
February  19   and  20,  staff   was  brought  together   by  the                                                               
commissioner  of  EED for  a  dropout  prevention meeting,  which                                                               
included representatives  from Communities  In Schools  of Alaska                                                               
(CIS),  school  districts,  state board  members,  and  Anchorage                                                               
Promise.   The focus of the  meeting was to identify  reasons why                                                               
Alaskan   students  are   leaving  the   public  school   system.                                                               
Commissioner  LeDoux began  the meeting  by discussing  the three                                                               
R's of education:   rigor, relevance, and relationships.   As the                                                               
brainstorming activities  took place, participants were  asked to                                                               
assign the  factors into  one of  the following  four categories:                                                               
student,  school, family,  community.   The  one  topic that  was                                                               
repeated throughout  the meeting  was relationships and  the need                                                               
for students to connect with an  individual for an activity.  Mr.                                                               
McCormick recalled  Mr. Rose  expressing the need  at the  end of                                                               
the school  day for  children to  be motivated  and want  to come                                                               
back to  school the next day.   Mr. McCormick then  mentioned the                                                               
"Golden T" in the classroom, which  is the front row and straight                                                               
down the middle.   Classrooms need to connect  with every student                                                               
in the  classroom because once  a student is credit  deficient in                                                               
high school it becomes very difficult  to make it back.  The hope                                                               
with  this meeting  was to  develop steps/strategies  for how  to                                                               
recover  and retain  these children.   He  noted that  this group                                                               
plans to meet again in  conjunction with the dropout symposium by                                                               
the Alaska Staff Development Network (ASDN) group in April.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:52:40 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCORMICK   then  reviewed  the  various   topical  handouts                                                               
provided by EED to the committee.   He related that the documents                                                               
related to the average daily  membership and statewide enrollment                                                               
were included  in order  to provide  perspective.   Mr. McCormick                                                               
turned  the  committee's  attention   to  the  document  entitled                                                               
"Dropout Rates in Alaska Fact Sheet."   He explained that a child                                                               
who  completes the  school  year and  receives  a certificate  of                                                               
attendance isn't  considered a dropout  in the system.   However,                                                               
in  the graduation  rate such  an individual  is weighted  in the                                                               
denominator the  same as a student  who dropped out.   In Alaska,                                                               
grades 7-12 are  measured for the dropout rates.   Generally, for                                                               
grades 9-12  the drop-out rate is  about 2 percent more  than the                                                               
grades 7-12 drop-out  rate.  He pointed out that  for grades 7-12                                                               
in 2005  the drop-out  rate was about  3,800, which  decreased to                                                               
about 3,200  in 2008.  "We  are making gains, as  far as limiting                                                               
our  drop-out  numbers,"   he  remarked.    He   noted  that  the                                                               
aforementioned document  also relates the  Alaska Native/American                                                               
Indian  drop-out count  as  well.   Mr.  McCormick then  directed                                                               
attention to  the document entitled  "Graduation Rates  in Alaska                                                               
Fact  Sheet,"  which  indicate  an  increase  in  the  number  of                                                               
graduate counts.   The point,  he related, is  that in a  time in                                                               
which there is  declining and stagnate enrollment,  the number of                                                               
graduates   being  issued   a  diploma   is   increasing.     The                                                               
aforementioned he attributed to actively retaining students.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:55:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK,  in response to Representative  Gardner, explained                                                               
that the reason the graduation  rate percentage has remained flat                                                               
is because the  denominator is growing faster  than the numerator                                                               
in the calculation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:56:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KAREN MARTINSEN, pointed  out that the EED  information relates a                                                               
graduation  rate of  around 62  percent  and a  drop-out rate  of                                                               
around 6 percent.  Therefore, she  inquired as to the category of                                                               
the remaining 32 percent of students.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK explained that the  drop-out rate is an event drop-                                                               
out rate  of a  single year.   Specifically,  it's the  number of                                                               
students identified  who drop-out during the  school year divided                                                               
by the entire population for that  group.  The graduation rate is                                                               
a measure  over four  years and  relates that  63 percent  of the                                                               
students  are [graduating]  in four  years.   He  noted that  the                                                               
grades 9-12  drop-out rate  is about 8  percent, which  makes the                                                               
total  close  to  100  percent.   The  statistics  are  collected                                                               
separately  and recorded  separately.   The four-year  graduation                                                               
rate doesn't  account for  those students  who graduate  in their                                                               
fifth or sixth year.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:58:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH inquired  as  to whether  the structure  has                                                               
changed in regard to how the data is being gathered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK  replied yes,  and explained that  in 2011  the new                                                               
federal Title I  regulations [require] a graduation  rate that is                                                               
comparable  across  the  50  states.    In  further  response  to                                                               
Representative Buch, Mr. McCormick confirmed  that in a sense the                                                               
[percentages]  are  comparing  apples   to  oranges.    When  the                                                               
graduation   rate   before   the  committee   today   was   first                                                               
established, there was  no access to student level  data and thus                                                               
duplicates were  possible.   However, now  the data  provides the                                                               
ability to  identify individual students  such that if  a student                                                               
were to drop-out  multiple times, or graduate  late, that student                                                               
would only be counted once in  the denominator.  The focus on the                                                               
graduation rate  presented today was  on the seniors  and working                                                               
backwards,  which is  difficult.   The new  graduation rate  will                                                               
identify the first year freshman  and move forward, which will be                                                               
easier in terms of collection and reporting of data.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:00:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRAD FLUETSCH, President, Alaska  Native Brotherhood (ANB), Grand                                                               
Camp 70, informed the committee that  he is a [member of a group]                                                               
that is  a joint effort  between Tlingit & Haida  Central Council                                                               
and  the  Juneau  School District  addressing  a  Drop-out  Early                                                               
Warning  System  (DEWS).    Mr.  Fluetsch  emphasized  that  many                                                               
resources  are  being  expended  discussing  the  numerators  and                                                               
denominators of  the formula.   If those resources  were actually                                                               
applied to  educating children as  opposed to  debating formulas,                                                               
"we would be  infinitely better off," he charged.   Therefore, he                                                               
requested that  the committee determine  how much of  the state's                                                               
resources  are spent  on non-education.   He  suggested that  the                                                               
committee would  be floored to learn  how much is being  spent to                                                               
fly staff to meetings to discuss  which students should be in the                                                               
numerator and which should be in the denominator.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:02:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCORMICK returned  to the  graduation  rate, and  explained                                                               
            th                                                                                                                  
that  the 12   grade  students who  are  continuing could  either                                                               
represent  a  student  who  receives a  certificate,  that  is  a                                                               
student who  hasn't passed the  HSGQE but has met  the district's                                                               
requirements,  or  a  student  who   hasn't  met  either  of  the                                                               
aforementioned but is  expected to continue.  He  related that 69                                                               
percent,  more  than two-thirds,  of  those  students who  aren't                                                               
making  it through  in  their  fourth year  but  are expected  to                                                               
continue passed  all three parts  of the  HSGQE.  In  response to                                                               
Chair  Seaton, Mr.  McCormick confirmed  that the  aforementioned                                                               
students  have  passed the  HSGQE  but  don't have  the  required                                                               
number of credits.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:03:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                             th                                                                                 
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER noted  that  many  10   graders pass  the                                                               
HSGQE, and  then inquired  as to  the value of  the HSGQE  to the                                                               
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MCCORMICK  said that the  HSGQE is a standard  specifying the                                                               
minimum level at  which students should achieve.   The results of                                                               
the Kristine  Moore, et  al vs.  State of  Alaska case  are being                                                             
reviewed in  order to determine  whether the HSGQE is  a rigorous                                                               
enough test.   The HSGQE  is of value  because it means  that the                                                               
student's diploma represents something more  than just a piece of                                                               
paper for seat time.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:04:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON opined  that if the HSGQE  represents something that                                                               
a student  passed in the  sophomore year, then the  following two                                                               
years  are devalued.    That establishes  the  wrong message  for                                                               
students who  must then  endure seat time  to receive  a diploma.                                                               
He asked  if there are  any data from students  regarding juniors                                                               
who have already qualified and are ready to leave high school.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MCCORMICK answered  that the  department  doesn't have  such                                                               
data, but remarked that such would  be a good topic for the April                                                               
drop-out prevention meeting.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  further opined  that the  HSGQE was  established to                                                               
make the  diploma meaningful.   Therefore, he suggested  the need                                                               
to question whether the diploma  is meaningful when students home                                                               
                      th                                                                                                        
passed the HSGQE in 10   grade.  He then questioned how employers                                                               
are viewing  students who  passed the HSGQE.   He  requested data                                                               
regarding the  view of students  and employers for  diplomas with                                                               
the HSGQE exam attached to it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:07:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   mentioned  that   when  the   HSGQE  was                                                               
established  he  was legislative  staff  to  Senator Dyson.    He                                                               
recalled   being  fascinated   that  the   department  originally                                                               
recommended   higher   standards   than   what   was   ultimately                                                               
established for the HSGQE.   He further recalled the pressure the                                                               
legislature was  under for  keeping the standards  at a  level at                                                               
which everyone  could pass.   Therefore,  he characterized  it as                                                               
ironic  that   now  the  HSGQE   has  become  the   standard  for                                                               
graduation.  Still, Representative  Keller expressed the need for                                                               
the diploma  to have a  value so  that it's worth  something when                                                               
seeking a job, which he recalled as the original intent.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  opined that  the question is  whether the  HSGQE, a                                                               
minimal  test,  provides useful  information  to  an employer  or                                                               
whether   the  graduation   diploma  should   specify  competency                                                               
evaluations or criteria testing.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:09:11 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH remarked  that the student has  to place some                                                               
value on graduation  as well, and that achieving that  goal is of                                                               
value.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:10:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER commented that  it appears little would be                                                               
gained by retaining a second  series of testing, considering what                                                               
is required by NCLB   Furthermore, she opined that a disincentive                                                               
appears  to have  inadvertently  been created  when students  are                                                               
asked  to continue  in school,  if they  have already  passed the                                                               
three tests.  Additionally, she asked:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     When we  talk about the  satisfaction and the  sense of                                                                    
     competency and having past this  test in tenth grade, I                                                                    
     don't   understand   how   that  would   supplant   the                                                                    
     satisfaction  and  competence  of  having  passed  four                                                                    
     years  of high  school English  classes.   And I  would                                                                    
     say, and  posit, that  if any  student who  passes four                                                                    
     years  of  English classes  and  can't  pass, can't  be                                                                    
     assumed to  have been  capable of  passing the  test in                                                                    
     tenth grade.   We have a real  disconnect here, there's                                                                    
     something completely  wrong with  the system.   But the                                                                    
     question that comes  to me is, do we have  any idea how                                                                    
     many kids in this state  can meet all their high school                                                                    
     graduation  requirements except  passage  of the  HSGQE                                                                    
     and all its parts.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON stated that the department will be able to supply                                                                  
that statistic for the committee.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:11:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TOM MORGAN, Sate Director, Communities In Schools (CIS) of                                                                      
Alaska, paraphrased from a prepared statement, which read as                                                                    
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     I  am  truly pleased  to  be  here today  to  represent                                                                    
     Communities In Schools (CIS) of  Alaska and our role in                                                                    
     making a positive difference  in the drop-out epidemic.                                                                    
     National research  has shown  that students who  do not                                                                    
     finish high school  earn less, pay less  tax, rely more                                                                    
     on  public health,  are more  involved  in the  justice                                                                    
     system, and are more likely  to use the welfare system.                                                                    
     I know that  you all share the concern  about the drop-                                                                    
     out  crisis,   a  topic  that  touches   all  Alaskans,                                                                    
     particularly    Alaska    Native    students    at    a                                                                    
     disproportionally higher rate.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     CIS  of  Alaska strives  to  work  closely with  school                                                                    
     districts  around the  state.   We offer  an integrated                                                                    
     student  support  delivery  system;  providing  schools                                                                    
     with prevention  services and individual  students with                                                                    
     case management and intervention  services.  Like glue,                                                                    
     we mobilize and connect  resources with schools, better                                                                    
     enabling  students  to  "stick  with it"  and  stay  in                                                                    
     school.  As a statewide  network in dropout prevention,                                                                    
     we are committed to success through collaboration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     How do we know that we  are helping kids learn, stay in                                                                    
     school, and prepare for life?   We evaluate our efforts                                                                    
     by  tracking   indicators  of  student   success  like:                                                                    
     attendance and stay-in-school  rates, improved academic                                                                    
     performance   and  improved   behavior.     Since   our                                                                    
     inception, we  have worked  with thousands  of students                                                                    
     at  risk  to  dropping   out;  the  majority  of  those                                                                    
     students  have  stayed  in school  and  improved  their                                                                    
     attendance, behavior and academic achievement.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Preliminary  results from  the  Communities In  Schools                                                                    
     National Evaluation initiative  (an independent, third-                                                                    
     party  evaluation) indicated  that the  CIS model  does                                                                    
     make a positive difference in:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          Decreasing the dropout rate                                                                                           
          Increasing the graduation rate                                                                                        
          Improving student achievement                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     These  results are  based on  an  in-depth analysis  of                                                                    
     1,766 CIS schools and  comparative analysis of outcomes                                                                    
     for more than 1,200  CIS and non-CIS comparison schools                                                                    
     over a three-year period.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     We are  not another social  service agency.   We broker                                                                    
     and  mobilize  in  an effective  and  coordinated  way,                                                                    
     EXISTING  community   services  through   the  schools,                                                                    
     saving  valuable dollars  while improving  efficiencies                                                                    
     of delivery of services to  children and youth.  During                                                                    
     the   2007/2008   year,   in  just   five   affiliates,                                                                    
     Anchorage,  Bethel,   Juneau,  Mat-Su  and   Nome,  our                                                                    
     minimum   leveraged   services   and   resources   were                                                                    
     estimated   at   $1.5   million   dollars.      In-kind                                                                    
     contributions  in  revenue  from  other  sources  (last                                                                    
     year)  were  approximately  $882,000.   The  amount  of                                                                    
     dollars for support is very  small when compared to the                                                                    
     successful outcomes  it provides  and the  resources we                                                                    
     are able  to leverage!  Through  school-based affiliate                                                                    
     programs and  statewide initiatives,  CIS of  Alaska is                                                                    
     crating  a  network  of  social  services,  businesses,                                                                    
     community resources  and volunteers that  work together                                                                    
     to  break  down  barriers  to   ensure  even  the  most                                                                    
     vulnerable of our children have  access to these basics                                                                    
     and core needs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Our    statewide   initiatives,    Career   Exploration                                                                    
     Opportunities (CEO),  an interactive  distance learning                                                                    
     career exploration program targeted  at rural youth and                                                                    
     the Imagination Library, an  early literacy program for                                                                    
     children birth to five, are being well received.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Our dream, our call to  action, is to formulate support                                                                    
     to  implement   the  CIS  model   and  provide   a  CIS                                                                    
     coordinator/graduation   coach  in   every  school   in                                                                    
     Alaska; whereas,  children's needs  can be met  to help                                                                    
     keep them in school and teachers are free to teach.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     We believe youth do not  drop-out of school necessarily                                                                    
     because  of  the  school.   We  believe,  and  research                                                                    
     supports; youth  drop-out due  to pressures  outside of                                                                    
     school.   Educators cannot and  should not  be expected                                                                    
     to have  knowledge of the  many resources  available to                                                                    
     help  them  and help  their  students  stay in  school.                                                                    
     That is where  CIS comes in.  As one  principal told me                                                                    
     - You  allow me and my  teachers to teach.   We need to                                                                    
     clone  the CIS  coordinator.   As stated  earlier, like                                                                    
     glue, we  mobilize and connect resources  with schools,                                                                    
     better enabling  students to "stick  with it"  and stay                                                                    
     in school.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Support  by the  federal  (and  state) government  will                                                                    
     allow us  to expand  our existing  sites and  offer the                                                                    
     opportunity  for  many   more  communities,  especially                                                                    
     rural  communities,  the   ability  to  experience  the                                                                    
     positive outcomes we can provide for youth.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     We  have   a  program   that  has  proven   success  in                                                                    
     preventing  dropouts.     For  every  dollar  invested,                                                                    
     through building collaboration,  brokering services and                                                                    
     leveraging community  assets, CIS of Alaska  adds value                                                                    
     to build return on investment.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Dollar  for  dollar, CIS  of  Alaska  offers the  right                                                                    
     investment in  our children's future.   We look forward                                                                    
     to  partnering  with  you,  doing   what  we  do  best;                                                                    
     connecting  the   dots,  coordinating   and  leveraging                                                                    
     existing resources to keep youth  in school and prepare                                                                    
     them to succeed in life.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:15:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON asked for a specific example of how the agency                                                                     
works with individual students, interfaces with existing                                                                        
services, and the facilitation involved.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN responded  that the first step is to  query the school                                                               
to identify specific needs that are  not being met.  If a student                                                               
cannot concentrate  because their teeth  hurt, a dentist  will be                                                               
engaged to  provide pro-bono  work.   Students who  are routinely                                                               
hungry  are  identified  and  provided  with  food,  including  a                                                               
backpack of meals  for the weekend.   Various local organizations                                                               
and individuals are  coordinated via the agency  to provide these                                                               
services.    The  coordination  also  minimizes,  or  eliminates,                                                               
duplication of effort among service providers.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:18:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER acknowledged  that, as  resource managers,                                                               
the agency  appears to be  helpful and commendable.   He inquired                                                               
how the high school graduation coaches are paid.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN answered that payments  are via a combination of state                                                               
or federal funding.   The initial seed money  is provided through                                                               
the  school district,  exploring the  model.   Once the  district                                                               
adopts the program, it is integrated  into the school budget.  As                                                               
a non-profit organization ad hoc funding may also be available.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER   noted  the  similarities   between  this                                                               
agencies  work and  what  Mr. Rose  described:   discovering  the                                                               
assets of  an individual student  and cultivating  their strength                                                               
via whatever/whoever is available in the community.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN reported that the  entities tend to be approachable on                                                               
a personal level, when asked to help.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:20:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER referred  to the  graduation coaches  and                                                               
asked  why  the  school  counselor would  not  be  handling  this                                                               
aspect.   The  bailiwick of  the  schools counselor  would be  to                                                               
assist  students  with  social  issues,  personal  issues,  daily                                                               
concerns, academic  scheduling, and  include providing  snacks or                                                               
food.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN  stated that  the agency  expands on  the role  of the                                                               
school counselor does  a step further by taking  the need outside                                                               
of the  school and engaging  community resources.  It  serves not                                                               
only the  student but relieves  the school administrator  of some                                                               
of their daily challenges.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER suggested  that  perhaps counselors  need                                                               
smaller case loads.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  pointed   out  that  many  schools   do  not  have                                                               
counselors.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:22:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   BUCH   recognized   the   need   for   statewide                                                               
coordination   of  services,   and  asked   how  that   could  be                                                               
accomplished.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN  offered that having  an agency person in  each school                                                               
would be helpful.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:23:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  recognized the  speaker's allegiance  to the                                                               
agency he represents,  and asked if a school  employee were given                                                               
this task, what  would their position be and at  what level would                                                               
the position be integrated.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MORGAN  provided  an  example  from  a  school  in  Richmond                                                               
[Washington],  serving  a  diverse demographic  including  socio-                                                               
economic  depressed areas.   The  school had  a community  action                                                               
group which  coordinated 82 entities to  work in the school.   He                                                               
reported  that the  school had  a 97  percent attendance  record.                                                               
The entities  included the  local radio  station disc  jockey who                                                               
provided pizza for  the social gatherings, and  a grandparent who                                                               
was a daily fixture to hold a caring presence in the hallway.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUCH  summed up to say  that in Richmond it  was a                                                               
community building requirement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MORGAN added  that the social workers paid by  the city, were                                                               
re-positioned  to work  within the  school, where  the most  good                                                               
could be done.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:26:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FLUETSCH  said that  the  public  schools are  charged  with                                                               
educating the  students who walk  through the  doors.  It  is not                                                               
appropriate for  the district  to blame  academic failure  on the                                                               
parents  or students.   He  directed attention  to the  committee                                                               
packet and  the responses he  has received when  polling students                                                               
and  other community  members regarding  the drop-out  situation.                                                               
Many of  them are from drop-outs,  who have never been  asked why                                                               
they  left.    It  is   not  necessarily  because  they  are  not                                                               
intelligent  or incapable  of  learning.   It  may  be because  a                                                               
student  has a  bad  interaction  with a  bad  teacher.   How  to                                                               
identify bad  teachers and how  to deal  with them should  be the                                                               
focus of the department of  education, versus blaming parents and                                                               
students.   Incentive and  compensation for  teachers might  be a                                                               
consideration.  Additionally, teachers  require focus and support                                                               
to  improve strategies  for  helping students  to  graduate.   He                                                               
opined    that   the    school   districts    tolerate   failure.                                                               
Approximately  3,500  students  per  year  do  not  complete  the                                                               
education system, within the guidelines  that have been designed.                                                               
These young people  may add to the negative cost  of society, but                                                               
it  is also  3,500 people  per year  not contributing  $50,000 of                                                               
economic activity.  Over $14,000  per year, per student, is spent                                                               
in the  Juneau district  alone, to help  a student  graduate; and                                                               
they  aren't  graduating.    Bullying is  one  of  the  paramount                                                               
reasons for a student to  leave school, in combination with other                                                               
issues.   Transportation can be  an issue,  but all of  these are                                                               
system  problems.   He stressed  the importance  of sitting  down                                                               
with the students to ask them directly about their issues.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:33:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON stated  that this  is another  perspective to  help                                                               
complete the picture.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:34:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  paraphrased from  a Native member  of the                                                               
legislature who has presented the  question of why Native parents                                                               
allow  their   children  to  drop-out,   or  not   attend  school                                                               
regularly.   She asked if  that is  contrary to what  the speaker                                                               
has presented.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. FLUETSCH  pointed out that the  focus of his argument  is how                                                               
the district  is failing  to perform for  families, not  what the                                                               
parents  are failing  to do  for  themselves and  the benefit  of                                                               
their children.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  pointed  out that  being  a  responsible                                                               
parent is  being an educator.   The expectation cannot be  that a                                                               
student can  attend school  every day and  come out  twelve years                                                               
later  educated,  she  opined,   without  the  support  of  their                                                               
parents, the  community, and educational  professionals involved.                                                               
She  stressed that  not one  agency, facility,  or individual  is                                                               
solely responsible.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:37:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ  said her understanding that  failure in 9th                                                               
grade Physical  education (PE)  class could  be an  indicator for                                                               
future drop-out/push-out  candidates.  Directing her  question to                                                               
Mr. Soboleff, as  a past high school administrator,  she asked if                                                               
PE success represents a tangible  benchmark, and whether there is                                                               
data to substantiate the statement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:38:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SOBOLEFF,  Representative, commented  that  one  of the  key                                                               
indicators of student success is whether  or not they are able to                                                               
survive  the system.   Physical  education  class is  one of  the                                                               
determining  facets for  a student's  ability  to be  successful.                                                               
Usually,  given the  physical changes  that  the adolescent  body                                                               
experiences, along  with the social  context, standing up  to the                                                               
social, and  physical, rigor  imposed in the  locker room  and in                                                               
the PE  class presents a major  hurdle.  Even more  startling, he                                                               
continued, is the  general acceptance, at the  high school level,                                                               
particularly held by  the Native student, that  graduation can be                                                               
attained by  passing three credits as  a freshman and three  as a                                                               
sophomore.   If  that is  not attained  then the  opportunity for                                                               
graduation  is lost.   This  is known  as the  rule of  thumb for                                                               
graduation.    Over  60  percent of  the  minorities  in  Alaskan                                                               
schools  fail  this accomplishment.    The  PE class  becomes  an                                                               
indicator because  of the challenge it  presents, particularly to                                                               
the minority student.   One method utilized by  some districts is                                                               
to  provide  summer PE  courses,  offering  students an  optional                                                               
means of achieving the credit  requirement outside of the regular                                                               
school  year.    The  PE   classes  typically  range  from  25-80                                                               
students.  Statistics on the  effects of PE classes are available                                                               
to support this statement, he advised.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:41:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  noted that the  PE indicator  does not appear  as a                                                               
factor in  the department's report that  prioritizes why students                                                               
drop-out.  It is relevant and  requires flagging as a topic to be                                                               
included for future discussions.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE pointed  out that  all humans  gravitate towards  their                                                               
strengths and excel in areas  where they have confidence in their                                                               
competency.  Students may be  ostracized when they cannot perform                                                               
in a certain  way.  When students are required  to stand and read                                                               
aloud,  in an  elementary classroom,  it becomes  quickly evident                                                               
which students  have dyslexia and  he stressed  how uncomfortable                                                               
it is  for them  to participate  in this  exercise.   Entering an                                                               
institution,  where a  young person  may or  may not  be able  to                                                               
exhibit  their  strengths,  creates  an  uncomfortable  situation                                                               
resulting   in  self   protection.     He  challenged   that  the                                                               
educational system  need look  no further  than the  inability of                                                               
young people  to cope  with their  lack of success  in a  host of                                                               
areas and  how this is  addressed in a  school setting.   A first                                                               
step   might   be   to  assist   the   adolescent   in   becoming                                                               
conversational  with  adults.     Feeling  comfortable,  visible,                                                               
known, and  understood in the  school setting directly  ties into                                                               
the success factor for every student, he opined.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SEATON  noted  that  some   of  these  factors  relate  to                                                               
competitive  measurements versus  individual  achievements for  a                                                               
student.   The school  system represents a  "box system,"  and it                                                               
may not be easy to alter this structure.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:45:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  directed  attention  to  Mr.  Fluetsch's                                                               
compilation  of  comments,  in the  committee  packet,  and  read                                                               
suggestions submitted by the signatory Jill:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
        I just retired from working with Alaskan Native                                                                         
       students in a high school.  [I suggest:] tribally-                                                                       
       funded social workers in the schools, ... tribally-                                                                      
     funded  social  workers   available  to  families,  ...                                                                    
     tribally  or federally  funded  counselors who  mentor,                                                                    
     encourage  and advocate,  ... tribal  truancy officers,                                                                    
     ...  [and  there  are]  tribes   who  link  payouts  to                                                                    
     academic performance.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER  explained that the  contributor describes                                                               
how  tribes in  other states  encourage students  to graduate  by                                                               
providing  monetary incentives.   The  tribal funded  approach is                                                               
interesting, and she asked for comment.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:47:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FLUETSCH  indicated  that tribally  funded  describes  money                                                               
provided  by   the  federal  government.     The   Alaska  Native                                                               
Brotherhood  Grand   Camp  and  other  local   Native  camps  and                                                               
corporation's value education,  provide scholarships, fund school                                                               
efforts, and participate  in assisting students to  graduate.  He                                                               
named several Native supported endeavors.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER surmised  that the  monetary support  for                                                               
Native programs  is from the  federal government because  that is                                                               
where  funds were  available, not  because there  is a  different                                                               
value held by the federal authorities versus state.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FLUETSCH assured  the committee  that no  separate value  is                                                               
attached to the federal funding.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:49:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOBOLEFF  returned to  the question of  the Carnegie  unit to                                                               
clarify that one credit equates to  120 hours of seat time.  This                                                               
is  what the  nation's  educational  system is  based  upon.   He                                                               
provided a brief biography including  his struggles in the Juneau                                                               
school  system,  followed  by   college  attendance  and  various                                                               
degrees attained  Outside.  To  understand the Native  student of                                                               
today,  he explained  it is  necessary to  review history.   When                                                               
education was  introduced to the  Native people in  Southeast, it                                                               
arrived  via   the  Russian  Orthodox   priests.     The  priests                                                               
infiltrated  villages,  established  churches,  converted  Native                                                               
constituents, and set  up the first schools.   These schools were                                                               
successful because,  not only had the  Russian priests translated                                                               
their bible/teachings to the Native  language, they empowered the                                                               
students  and their  parents in  the  process of  education.   In                                                               
1885,  Sheldon Jackson  established the  first formal  schools in                                                               
Alaska   and  became   the  first   Commissioner  of   Education.                                                               
Commissioner Jackson  declared that the Alaskan  schools would be                                                               
administered  in English,  causing the  Native's to  collectively                                                               
exclaim,  "What?".   This is  why  his address  to the  committee                                                               
today is  in English, he pointed  out.  It represents  a cultural                                                               
imprint that  no Native carries,  but it  is a learning  that has                                                               
been imposed  upon them; English  is not the  indigenous language                                                               
of Alaska.   The  records reflect that  many Alaska  Natives have                                                               
figured  out   the  [Western]  system  with   resultant  success.                                                               
However,  thousands  of  Natives  have not  figured  out  how  to                                                               
navigate this  system that requires setting  their cultural skill                                                               
sets aside to pursue and adopt  another.  He opined, that this is                                                               
the  problem   which creates  the issue  of high  drop-out levels                                                               
among Native students.  In learning,  a skill card is employed by                                                               
the student.   A certain skill  set must be attained  in order to                                                               
be successful:   remaining in  school for the required  length of                                                               
time, graduating,  or achieving a  GED.  Generally, he  said, the                                                               
skill  set applies  to  surviving the  system.   Native  learners                                                               
bring  a   different  learning  structure,  to   the  educational                                                               
setting, through their  culture that is deeper  than the language                                                               
itself.   Basically, when speaking  or writing in  English, nouns                                                               
come  first, followed  by verbs  and adjectives.   In  the Native                                                               
culture, a reverse pattern occurs:   the action word comes first,                                                               
followed by  the descriptive words,  and finally the nouns.   The                                                               
difference of  the thought  pattern is the  crux of  the problem.                                                               
He  reported how  through  his efforts  to  graduate from  Juneau                                                               
Douglas  High School,  with minimal  grades, and  seek a  college                                                               
education, wrought  with remedial classes, a  clear understanding                                                               
of the  skill set deficit manifested  for him.  The  primary, and                                                               
sometimes   the  only,   skill   card  that   a  Native   student                                                               
[inherently/culturally]  brings  to  the school  setting  is  the                                                               
ability to  observe and listen.   Unfortunately, this significant                                                               
card  set  is  omitted  in  the  [Western]  educational  setting.                                                               
Natives  are imprinted  with a  culture established  through oral                                                               
history.   Every  Native child  can learn  whatever is  required,                                                               
through  visual  and  hearing  techniques,  he  underscored,  and                                                               
challenged  the  state to  develop  a  pedagogy to  address  this                                                               
critical  deficit  in today's  classroom.    Through the  state's                                                               
efforts to understand  what creates a successful  student and why                                                               
some fail,  what has  been excluded, and  not understood,  is the                                                               
need  to   cultivate  the  Native   skill  sets.     Further,  he                                                               
paraphrased E. E. Cummings, stating,  "History will show you that                                                               
the  most significant  impact  that  they can  have  to change  a                                                               
system  is to  empower  the  student and  their  parent."   These                                                               
students are  here to learn,  he declared and challenged  that it                                                               
is the responsibility  of Alaskan educators to  discover a method                                                               
to work on  whatever meaningful level, and  from any perspective,                                                               
that  will  prove  effective.     Additionally,  the  battle  for                                                               
creating success on  the secondary level is not  at the secondary                                                               
level, but lies in the  primary second and third grade classroom.                                                               
It is  at this age that  the active, practitioner mind  enters to                                                               
set the  stage for  the rest  of the  student's life,  he opined.                                                               
The ability  of the teacher  to engage an  impressionable primary                                                               
school  child  is  the  key  to the  success  of  every  student.                                                               
Learning should,  and can, be  an exciting process.   Finally, he                                                               
stressed that it is not acceptable  to enter into a school system                                                               
with  the  predisposition  that  by  receiving  six  high  school                                                               
credits  by  the sophomore  year,  graduation  will be  attained.                                                               
When a  student understands that  they are not the  problem, they                                                               
become engaged and  interested.  He finished  by underscoring the                                                               
importance to not  dismiss, but rather capitalize,  on the Native                                                               
skill sets.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:04:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  acknowledged that this is  an important perspective                                                               
and it may  assist the schools to more adequately  address how to                                                               
meet Alaskan student needs.  He  stated agreement, that it is not                                                               
the student that is the problem,  but the box that they are being                                                               
put into by the establishment.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:05:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUCH  noted  that  the  retrospective  effort  to                                                               
assist drop-outs  is fairly thriving  with a variety  of options,                                                               
but that  is after the fact.   Considering birth to  death as the                                                               
educational  span, he  asked what  process should  be started  to                                                               
assure  the  second or  third  grader  will  be  on a  track  for                                                               
success.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SOBOLEFF responded,  referring  to  a nationally  recognized                                                               
educational  research  institute,  which indicates  that  at  the                                                               
heart of the  decision making process for a  successful school is                                                               
parental  and student  involvement.   The current  system evolved                                                               
because  of the  industrial revolution,  with little  change over                                                               
time.  Today it is  important to capitalize on individual skills,                                                               
he  stressed.    The  process must  encompass  parents  into  the                                                               
learning process, not  just for parent teacher  conferences.  The                                                               
time when  a parent  delivered a  child to  the school  door, and                                                               
left  the rest  up to  the  establishment, is  gone, and  doesn't                                                               
work.  The  inclusion of the parents, and family,  sends a strong                                                               
involvement/interest  message  to  the   student.    Finally,  he                                                               
suggested that  the repeated failure of  the system, demonstrated                                                               
by  the Native  student,  demands a  complete  paradigm shift  of                                                               
"what we're doing in terms of learning, and teaching."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:10:17 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  asked  for  a comment  on  the  compulsory                                                               
attendance age;  would raising it  have a positive effect  on the                                                               
Native student graduation rate.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOBOLEFF invoked the cultural age  imprint and how it may not                                                               
fit  the parameters.   The  Native cultural  imprint allows  that                                                               
between the  ages of birth  and 7 lives the  child, from 8  to 24                                                               
arrives  the young  person,  from  25 to  30  develops the  young                                                               
adult, from  45-60 you become  a learned member of  the community                                                               
who people may  consult with, and above age 70  you may choose to                                                               
speak  anytime and  will be  listened to  intently, as  an elder.                                                               
The Western setting sees the young  child below age 7, and at age                                                               
21 status in  society is allowed.   This chronological difference                                                               
should  not stop  the  ability to  meet  each age  educationally,                                                               
however,  a  teacher should  be  mindful  of  the variance.    He                                                               
reported that some  GED students have not been in  a school class                                                               
setting for ten or more years, when they arrive at his program.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
10:15:27 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MARTINSEN  said she has  worked in the educational  field for                                                               
30 years,  primarily working with  youth at  risk.  The  term "at                                                               
risk" could be  changed to "disempowered" or  "not embraced," she                                                               
suggested, to  be more accurate.   Two issues are apparent:   the                                                               
need for  a systemic  reform to  prevent drop-out;  and immediate                                                               
response to stem  the crisis of having  4,000 drop-outs annually;                                                               
candidates for  public assistance or  jail.  An  estimated 57,000                                                               
people in Alaska  do not have a  GED or diploma, and  who are not                                                               
productive citizens.   She advocated  that an  emergency response                                                               
needs to occur  specific for those who have  already dropped out.                                                               
She expressed  concern for additional compulsory  years of school                                                               
attendance.   The  model for  schools is  based on  a threatening                                                               
approach, she said,  "Learn or I will hurt you."   She speculated                                                               
that  this threat  is not  working.   Perhaps an  option for  all                                                               
young people up to age 21 may  be helpful.  It would increase the                                                               
school formula  funding, and  Alaska would  join the  states that                                                               
have already implemented this change.   Another important need is                                                               
to provide  alternative paths for  young students.   Every school                                                               
assignment should  allow at least five  means for accomplishment.                                                               
She  noted that  many  models are  being  implemented around  the                                                               
nation, and  the world,  based on K-16  classes, or  lowering the                                                               
credit requirements for graduation.   Another approach is to loan                                                               
credits  to provide  future options.    Imposing more  compulsory                                                               
requirements is  probably not a  direction that will  be helpful.                                                               
For  the drop-out  student, the  capacity to  be absorbed  into a                                                               
productive  program  is  limited,  and  not  part  of  our  state                                                               
educational system.  She underscored  the immediacy of addressing                                                               
this crisis as well as formulating a plan for the future.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:22:23 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON  acknowledged the  multiple drop-out  issues brought                                                               
before  the committee.   He  reviewed the  various considerations                                                               
that  have come  to  the table,  including creating  kindergarten                                                               
classes for  four year olds,  family and early  learning options,                                                               
graduation  requirement/augmentation,   and  various  educational                                                               
assessment  measurements   being  reviewed,   en  route   to  the                                                               
committee establishing  a revised policy.   The conversation will                                                               
continue, he declared.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
10:27:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SOBOLEFF offered final words, stating:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     One  of the  things that  is really  imperative, is  to                                                                    
     make  sure that  as you  plan the  changes that  you're                                                                    
     going to  do, [is] to look  at it in its  setting.  ...                                                                    
     We  need to  take  advantage of  the  things that  have                                                                    
     preceded  us in  the world  of education  and learning.                                                                    
     ... We  just need  to make sure  that we're  mindful of                                                                    
     the participants in [a]  learning situation, and that's                                                                    
     really what it's all about.   ... It's that student, in                                                                    
     that classroom,  interacting with  the teacher  and the                                                                    
     peers, ... that are really  at the heart of what Alaska                                                                    
     should be  doing for its  students.  [It]  doesn't make                                                                    
     any difference  what color you  are, or  whether you're                                                                    
     rural or  whether you're  urban, it's  that interaction                                                                    
     of  classroom-student-teacher  relationship,  ...  that                                                                    
     should be the crown jewel of [the] learning process.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:29:18 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SEATON invited addition input be submitted, or personally                                                                 
addressed to the committee.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:29:49 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Education Standing Committee on meeting was adjourned at 10:30                                                                  
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Drop-out discussion materials.pdf HEDC 3/11/2009 8:00:00 AM
HEDC 3/16/2009 8:00:00 AM
CSHB 126 EDU workdraft.pdf HEDC 3/11/2009 8:00:00 AM
HB 126